Chat Log: Inter-Faction Summit [07.27.2000]

Session Start: Thu Jul 27 22:12:25 2000
* Logging #atrp to 'meeting.log'
* Chizi-jibini forms a line
<Guru> Been awhile Zepath...so good of you to bless us with your presence
* Zepath|SB smirks.
<Chizi-jibini> Ok, nice and easy, one at a time
* Kaldaur|FoA stand behind Chizi
<Zepath|SB> yea... cause it's been so long :)
<Chizi-jibini> You do know that this is the line for cow pies, right?
* Ry-eye|SB pushes Chizi out of the way and takes his place
<glech|SB> ry really wants those cow pies...
<Chizi-jibini> Woah! Ok, ok...man likes his cow-pies!
<Ry-eye|SB> oh ya
<Ry-eye|SB> have ever tried one?
<Ry-eye|SB> the ice cream kind
* Zepath|SB enjoys a mildly civilized conversation, as opposed to "*Soffo rapes ender *ender rapes Soffo's ear"
<Chizi-jibini> You better beleive it
<ism> Kaldaur, what faction is the FoA if I may ask ?
<Zepath|SB> Fellowship of Atriana
<Kaldaur|FoA> The Fellowship of ATriana
<Chizi-jibini> Perhaps I should Faction-tag m'self
<Zepath|SB> :P
<ism> Ahh...
<Kaldaur|FoA> Thanks Kaldaur :p
<Zepath|SB> sure Chiz
<Zepath|SB> 'd be smart
*** Chizi-jibini is now known as Chizi-jibini|DM
<Chizi-jibini|DM> hmmm
*** Chizi-jibini|DM is now known as Chizi|DM
<Zepath|SB> Guru, how about a little Guru|TM?
<Ry-eye|SB> wow chizi has a faction!
<Chizi|DM> better
<Zepath|SB> :)
<Chizi|DM> Sho 'nuff boyeeee
<Kaldaur|FoA> How do I change my quit message?
<Zepath|SB> options screen
<Chizi|DM> Options...it's in there
<Zepath|SB> under IRC
<Zepath|SB> in Messages
<Guru> God this is so unbeleiveably IC
<Kaldaur|FoA> IC?
<Kaldaur|FoA> oh hehe
<Kaldaur|FoA> in character
*** glech|SB is now known as glech|bar
<glech|bar> did you talk to eyeke zepath
<Zepath|SB> not since the other day
<glech|bar> like is he coming?
<glech|bar> damn
<Zepath|SB> don't know
* Chizi|DM is soooooo sorry
<Kaldaur|FoA> haha
<Chizi|DM> Poor Kaldaur|FoA...he just wanted help, and Guru meets him with sarcasm!
<Guru> You know when i talked to him last he hit his dog
<Chizi|DM> Where's the love!
<Guru> I wouldnt answer a question
* Kaldaur|FoA can't feel the love
<Guru> And he said he hit his dog
<Kaldaur|FoA> Guru, what faction are you with?
*** Zepath|SB changes topic to 'Ruhkmm's Atrianese Bar and Grill || No out of character dialogue rule is now suspended || All-Faction Summit TONIGHT 7/27 In One Hour!  Chairman Ruhkmm may be arriving late, in which case we will proceed in his absence._'
<glech|bar> guru faction up  :P
<Ry-eye|SB> Torment
<Zepath|SB> Tah'ohr Muhtah
<Kaldaur|FoA> thanks zepath :)
<Guru> Uhh like Tah'ohr Muhatah i think
<Chizi|DM> Poor puppy
<glech|bar> i know but he should ahve it on his name thingy
<ism> Ah
<Zepath|SB> I can spell it and HE can't?
<Zepath|SB> hehe
<Kaldaur|FoA> hehe
<Guru> no i cant
<Zepath|SB> yer own faction
<Zepath|SB> sheesh
<Zepath|SB> :P
<Zepath|SB> Guru|TM
<Zepath|SB> that'll be good
<Kaldaur|FoA> it might help for all concerned if you would put a guru|TM so we know what faction
<Guru> Grarr
<Zepath|SB> rrarG
*** Guru is now known as Guru|TM
<Kaldaur|FoA> Hell, I can't remember who's in what faction
<Chizi|DM> ragarr
<Kaldaur|FoA> Thanks
<ism> Kaldaur some ircclients can set it somewhere, but you can allways write "/quit <message>" to write what message you want
<Kaldaur|FoA> thanks ism :)
<Zepath|SB> correctus
<Kaldaur|FoA> i found it, though
<Kaldaur|FoA> going afk for a while
<Kaldaur|FoA> will be back in time for the meeting
<Guru|TM> You'll all be happy to know lonan will be here
<glech|bar> how do you change you slap! command to something else?
<Zepath|SB> alrighty
<Zepath|SB> we'll start around 5 min late, gotta give Req a chance to show on time
<Chizi|DM> You can create aliases
<Guru|TM> Also, is this gonna be IC or OOC?
* Zepath|SB slaps glech with a slimy salmon.
<Guru|TM> Hes Jakie Chan now!
<Zepath|SB> OOC Guru
<Guru|TM> Okay
<Chizi|DM> Err...you can store magical phrases in your subconscience for easy retreval
<Zepath|SB> the issues are best dealt with like that
* glech|bar slaps Zepath|SB around a bit with a large trout
<Guru|TM> Req said it was IC =/
<glech|bar> thats all i got  :(
<Zepath|SB> smack! smack!
<Zepath|SB> ow
<Chizi|DM> err...replace magical with scientific
<Zepath|SB> Req asks too much
* Chizi|DM drops the state of Rhode Island onto glech|bar
<Guru|TM> He didnt ask anything
<glech|bar> IC is to hard to control  :P  everyone will go OOC anyway
<Zepath|SB> Let it go with the flow, Guru, it'll be discussed the way it wants to
<Guru|TM> He just told me it was IC
<glech|bar> ouch!
<Chizi|DM> Ouch indeed...you better appriciate that too...I had to import that halfway accross the galaxy
<Zepath|SB> Req asks too much of the meeting, we won't be able to hold it purely IC the whole time so there's no reason to decree it
<Guru|TM> Good point
<Guru|TM> Zang coming?
<glech|bar> yes
<Guru|TM> Hrmm
<Zepath|SB> he said it's likely
<glech|bar> it'll be fun  :)
<Ry-eye|SB> cya
<Zepath|SB> 40 min
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<Guru|TM> ....ok....
<Zepath|SB> okie...
<Chizi|DM> He has a point, there
<glech|bar> chizi i went in the aliases thing but i don't see where to change it...
* Zepath|SB starts getting things set up for the meeting.
<Zepath|SB> I'll go over the meeting's procedure 30 minutes before and then again just right before we start.
<Zepath|SB> That way, for those of you here, you'll have time to submit topics not already set for discussion.
<Chizi|DM> You can't change it, you can just mae new ones
* Zepath|SB is AFK for 7 minutes.
<glech|bar> ohh ok
<Chizi|DM> Such as
<glech|bar> how do i do that?
* Chizi|DM watches in horror as aliens beam in, anally probe glech|bar, then beam out giggling like schoolgirls
<glech|bar> thats gonna leave a mark
<Chizi|DM> First, type a command like /alien
<glech|bar> yeah
<Chizi|DM> then, type what you want that command to do
<Chizi|DM> If you want to make the name variable, just type $$1 whereever the name would be
<glech|bar> alright lets say i wanted to say glech welcomes <stick name here>    how would i do that?
<glech|bar> k
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<Chizi|DM> then you'd type /welcome Chizi|DM when you wanted to use it
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<Chizi|DM> For example
<Chizi|DM> heh
<Guru|TM> Hrrm not sure what happend there
* glech|bar welcomes zepath|SB
<glech|bar> hey hey it works!
<Chizi|DM> wee!
<Guru|TM> Heh
* camorandi|KmM welcomes camorandi|KmM
<camorandi|KmM> hey!
* Chizi|DM eats five pounds of ham, realizes it's not kosher, and spews it all over camorandi|KmM
<Chizi|DM> Aren't they just all kinds of fun, eh?
* camorandi|KmM remembers the last spewing done here, and heads for the door...
<glech|bar> how can i make it so i can choose it when i right click on their name?
* camorandi|KmM thanks his non-existant Gods it wasn't from the other end
<Chizi|DM> Got me
<camorandi|KmM> I can't seem to select any text in IRC
<Chizi|DM> It's selected
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<Chizi|DM> It just doesn't stay highlighted
<Zepath|SB> Ok, for those of you here early, this is how we're going to run things:
* glech|bar gives a pitcher of glech guk to Zepath|SB
<Guru|TM> OSunds good
<Zepath|SB> The first part of the summit will be composed of topic discussion.  We will present a topic important to all factions, Atriarch, or the community in general and open the floor to comments.
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* Guru|TM tells Glech he wants the usual
* glech|bar welcomes renkon
<Zepath|SB> In order to speak your mind on the topic at hand, a representative (leader if present) of your Faction needs to message me.  You will be placed in the queue and given a few moments to speak.
<camorandi|KmM> hey ren
<Renkon|SB> Greetings everyone
<glech|bar> no more usual only glech guk
* glech|bar gives a pitcher of glech guk to Guru
<glech|bar> its very caffinated don't worry
<Guru|TM> Ahh oaky
* Zepath|SB is about to moderate the place just so he can get this over with.
<Zepath|SB> Again, for Renkon...
* camorandi|KmM is assuming this will all be in character
<Zepath|SB> The first part of the summit will be composed of topic discussion.  We will present a topic important to all factions, Atriarch, or the community in general and open the floor to comments.
<Zepath|SB> In order to speak your mind on the topic at hand, a representative (leader if present) of your Faction needs to message me.  You will be placed in the queue and given a few moments to speak.
* Renkon|SB nods
<Zepath|SB> It can be in any form you want Cam.
* ism May I suggest that we start off the meeting with a short introduction of the present factions
<Zepath|SB> We currently have five topics ready for discussion.
<Renkon|SB> Not a very big turn out..
<Zepath|SB> 30 min early Renk
<Zepath|SB> The topics are:
<camorandi|KmM> thenwhy are we doing it here, rather than in a seperate forum or #atriarch
<Zepath|SB> a) That we address the newly sparked conflict between Lonan's faction and Zang's faction.
<glech|bar> good idea ism
<Zepath|SB> b) The possible PK threat that may or may not mar the world of Atriana.
<Zepath|SB> c) Formulation of the Atriarch Anti-D3wd Coallition (AADC).
<Zepath|SB> d) Trying to monitor all inter-faction relations.
<Zepath|SB> e) from Kaldaur: I would also like to speak with everyone there on matters of diplomacy and how alliances should be followed as such. What types of treaties should be commonly used, etc.
<Zepath|SB> ism, hang on there
<Guru|TM> Trying to run the whole world eh Zep?
<Zepath|SB> huh?
<Guru|TM> Nevermind
<Zepath|SB> Just putting out the topics already laid down.  Ok...
<glech|bar> if your in a faction you should put it in your name
<Zepath|SB> If you have any other topics you want to see discussed, message them to me now.
<Zepath|SB> Following general topic discussion, we will go on to allow each present faction to present themselves in turn.
<Zepath|SB> Representatives from a faction will be +ed and will be allowed to introduce themselves and receive questions.
<Guru|TM> Okay! Me and Lonan need a +ed!
<Zepath|SB> Sort of like a HoC style Q&A for those sticking around after the topic coverage.
<glech|bar> you only get +ed when its your turn
<Guru|TM> awww shucks
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* glech|bar welcomes darkone
<Zepath|SB> Everyone understand?
<darkone> sorry
<Zepath|SB> Darkone|CK
<Chizi|DM> Hey...why am I opped?(shut up, shut up!!)
<Zepath|SB> lol
* Chizi|DM smacks head
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<glech|bar> heh
<Zepath|SB> i won't set the +m for a little bit ;D
<Sarvas> hail to thee
<Renkon|SB> Hey darkone.. are ya gunna get CK up and running anytime soon?
<Zepath|SB> and to thee!
* glech|bar welcomes Sarvas
<Chizi|DM> Good day, sir
<Guru|TM> Haha Zepath everyone comes in after you done!
<Sarvas> I am here representing the best faction, YKZ
<Guru|TM> err your done
<darkone> if i have time i will
<Zepath|SB> that's why i'm restating it all later
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<Guru|TM> Ykz...?
<camorandi|KmM> yakuza
* glech|bar welcomes Spenser
<Guru|TM> Hmmm okay
<Zepath|SB> Spens
<Spenser> Hi glech!
* glech|bar gives a pitcher of glech guk to everyone
<darkone> mmmmm
<Spenser> Hi Zepath - cute post today, btw
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<Soff0> HUWWO
*** Soff0 is now known as Soffo
<Chizi|DM> Oh crap, I haven't read the boards in two days...
<Renkon|SB> Ya know what that means chizi.. your going to hell
<ism> Zepath, instead of only +ed one at a time, we could try to maintin topics disipline by muting those who are disruptive....
<Soffo> I've never read the boards in over 6 months
<glech|bar> everyone talks at once though ism and ppl can't read that fast
<Soffo> I read 4 posts
<Soffo> and thats it
<Zepath|SB> gets too crazy ism
<Chizi|DM> But you haven't been trying to keep up
<ism> Yeah, I guess.....
<darkone> ok
<Chizi|DM> the 100 posts when you bring up the screen is dishearting
<Spenser> Chizi, let me summarize: karma birds rule, karma birds suck, where's the beta?
<Zepath|SB> it's either one faction at a time or each faction picks a representative to be +ed the whole time
<Chizi|DM> Ahh....why, thank you
<Spenser> Any time
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<Guru|TM> And you forgots "Socks"
<Chizi|DM> Next time, call it a synopsis
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* Guru|TM basks in the dead air
<Zepath|SB> so relaxing
<Chizi|DM> wait...for...it
* Guru|TM falls over
* Chizi|DM drives to Newark in a fit of suicidal depression and suffocates himself
* Zepath|SB will +m in 10 minutes.
<Guru|TM> Sad, sad little man
<Guru|TM> ????
<Renkon|SB> Can I have your car Chizi?
<Chizi|DM> Hey, way to insult me when I'm suicudally depressed!
<Chizi|DM> It went into newark , Renkon...
<Chizi|DM> it ain't ever comin' back
<Guru|TM> HEY CAN I HAVE YOUR FOOD?
<Guru|TM> err sorry
<Soffo> can I have your dead corpse
* Chizi|DM eats five pounds of ham, realizes it's not kosher, and spews it all over Guru|TM
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<Soffo> please
<Chizi|DM> there ya go
<Chizi|DM> No!
<Guru|TM> Yummm
<Soffo> I wont hurt it
* glech|bar welcomes EolirinXianve
<Chizi|DM> Sorry...I've allready been creamated
* EolirinXianve eats glech
<glech|bar> ahh dang it...
<Guru|TM> Ooohh! Can i have your Urn?
<Chizi|DM> Sure, go nuts
<Soffo> liar
<Guru|TM> Wee!
<Soffo> can I have some DNA then
* Guru|TM bangs the urn around
* glech|bar makes a little fire in EolirinXianve's stomach
<Renkon|SB> yeah! lets clone chizi!
<Guru|TM> Wee!
* EolirinXianve is a dragon
<glech|bar> damn
<Guru|TM> Still that would burn your stomach!
<Guru|TM> AIIIEIEEE!
* EolirinXianve has a really BIG fire burning in his stomach, he uses it to breath fire
* glech|bar builds a little house
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* Renkon|SB hands Eolirin some Tums
* glech|bar welcomes Krunk_Splein
<EolirinXianve> God I'm tired.
<Krunk_Splein> Would you believe that I wandered in here accidentally?
<ism> No
<Krunk_Splein> an errant mouse click.  Same thing happened with the HoC
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<glech|bar> nice name krunk
<Zepath|SB> heh
<Guest8010415> doh
<Guru|TM> Lol
*** Guest8010415 is now known as AngryKrunk
<AngryKrunk> I even remembered this time, albeit a bit late
<AngryKrunk> I was halfway through Identify when the name changed
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<Guru|TM> spleeeeeeeeeeeeeein!
<Krunk_Splein> ahhh
<Krunk_Splein> Quick OT question- who asked VH1 to dig up these old rock stars?
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<Guru|TM> Ikes! Heya
* glech|bar welcomes Bialar_Crais|SB
<Bialar_Crais|SB> I take it it already hasn't started
<Krunk_Splein> What time does the Summit begin tonight?
* Bialar_Crais|SB orders a drink
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<glech|bar> 5 more mins i think
<Guru|TM> Krunk-the same aliens that abuducted Elvis
<Zepath|SB> in 5 minutes
<Krunk_Splein> crud...
<Renkon|SB> It worked!
<Krunk_Splein> Now I have to log it
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<Guru|TM> Har har hairy!
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<Chizi|DM> My God! What have you done!
* glech|bar welcomes Zang
<Spenser> General!
<Guru|TM> Heya Zang!
<Zang> Hello
<Zepath|SB> alrighty
* Chizi|DM attacks his clones
<Zepath|SB> i'll review the procedures in about 3 minutes
* Zang dismounts from it's Shap.
* Chizi|Clonemark2 defends itself
<glech|bar> anyone want some glech guk before i must shut off the tap?
* Chizi|Clone accidently stabs Chizi|Clonemark2
* Bialar_Crais|SB orders a drink
* Chizi|Clonemark2 is slain
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* Zang feeds some grubs to Spot, the Shap.
* glech|bar gives a pitcher of glech guk to Bialar_Crais|SB
* Chizi|Clone blows up
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +v glech|bar
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<glech|bar> ...
Session Close: Thu Jul 27 23:05:28 2000

Session Start: Thu Jul 27 23:06:07 2000
*** Now talking in #atrp
*** Topic is 'Ruhkmm's Atrianese Bar and Grill || No out of character dialogue rule is now suspended || All-Faction Summit TONIGHT 7/27 In One Hour!  Chairman Ruhkmm may be arriving late, in which case we will proceed in his absence._'
*** Set by Zepath|SB on Thu Jul 27 22:16:18
#atrp created on Wed Jul 26 12:09:45
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o glech|SB
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +m
<Zepath|SB> Before everything, we will go alphabetically through the factions present and allow them to introduce themselves.  We will do this in just a moment.
<Zepath|SB> The first part of the summit will be composed of topic discussion.  We will present a topic important to all factions, Atriarch, or the community in general and open the floor to comments.
<Zepath|SB> Each faction present will need to select one representative to be +ed during the entire discussion and to represent their views.  You will select this representative and let their name be known when presenting your factions.
<Zepath|SB> We currently have five topics ready for discussion.
<Zepath|SB> The topics are:
<Zepath|SB> a) That we address the newly sparked conflict between Lonan's faction and Zang's faction.
<Zepath|SB> b) The possible PK threat that may or may not mar the world of Atriana.
<Zepath|SB> c) Formulation of the Atriarch Anti-D3wd Coallition (AADC).
<Zepath|SB> d) Trying to monitor all inter-faction relations.
<Zepath|SB> e) from Kaldaur: I would also like to speak with everyone there on matters of diplomacy and how alliances should be followed as such. What types of treaties should be commonly used, etc.
<Zepath|SB> The first four are of Ruhkmm's design.
<Zepath|SB> If you have any other topics you want to see discussed, message them to me now.
<Zepath|SB> Following general topic discussion, we will go on to allow each present faction to be questioned in turn.
<Zepath|SB> All representatives from a faction will be +ed and will be allowed to introduce themselves and receive questions.
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<Zepath|SB> Sort of like a HoC style Q&A for those sticking around after the topic coverage.
<Zepath|SB> now, let's get the intros out of the way
<Zepath|SB> First would be the... Dharuba
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +o Chizi|DM
<Zepath|SB> Talk to us Chizi
<Zepath|SB> Who are you and what do you do?
<Chizi|DM> Thank you...
<Chizi|DM> Greetings, I am Chizi-jibini, Chairman and Kauli-za-Mtukufu of the Dharuba Mkondo.   We are a neutral wandering factions that seeks profitable trade with all the peoples of Atriana.
<Zepath|SB> That all ya got?
<Zepath|SB> I assume you'll be representing the Dharuba...
<Chizi|DM> That is sufficient, I'd say.
<Chizi|DM> Indeed
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: -o Chizi|DM
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +v Chizi|DM
<Zepath|SB> Next will be... the Fellowship of Atriana
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +o Kaldaur|FoA
<Zepath|SB> Who are you and what do you do?
<Kaldaur|FoA> Hello everyone. My name is Kaldaur, and I remember the Fellowship of Atriana
<Kaldaur|FoA> We are seeking to establish ourselves in the world, and one day hope to form an empire spanning the world
<Zepath|SB> Just tell me when you've said enough :)
<Kaldaur|FoA> We will have a strong diplomatic base, trade, and military power, and hope to peacefully coexist with the world around us
<Kaldaur|FoA> That's good
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: -o Kaldaur|FoA
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +v Kaldaur|FoA
<Zepath|SB> and now, the Korath-mir-Marihk
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: -o camorandi|KmM
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +o camorandi|KmM
<Zepath|SB> Who are you and what do you do?
<camorandi|KmM> I am Camorandi Suun, Head Scientist of the Korath-mir-Mahrik.  We represent balance in Atriarch.  We have come to be seen as purely neutral, but that is not exactly the case.  We simply do not attach ourselves to concepts such as good and evil, and serve our own interests instead.
<Zepath|SB> Done?
<camorandi|KmM> yes
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: -o camorandi|KmM
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +v camorandi|KmM
<camorandi|KmM> I am a beign of few words
<Zepath|SB> Remember to let me know when you all finish :D
<Zepath|SB> next will be ... the founders
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +o Spenser|Founders
<Zepath|SB> Who are you and what do you do?
<Spenser|Founders> Thanks, Zepath.  Greetings everyone...
<Spenser|Founders> I am Spenser, Constituent of The Founders.  We are builders of great cities, determined to bring the wonders of elegant urban life to everyone.
<Spenser|Founders> done
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: -o Spenser|Founders
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +v Spenser|Founders
<Zepath|SB> and now... the Karshan
*** Zepath|SB sets mode: +o Zang|Karshan
<Zepath|SB> Who are you and what do you do?
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<Zang|Karshan> I am Zang, High Claw of the Karshan Empire. The Empire stands for Civilization and proper worship of Allmighty Glurg. Bandits, blasphemers, and criminals will be dealt with harshly...but, Citizens will have peace and security in the protection of the Empire.
<Zang|Karshan> We will build the Holy Fortress-City of Karsh.
<Zang|Karshan> And build an Empire to provide security against bandits and barbarians.
<Zang|Karshan> Done.
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<Zepath|SB> next up... let's have the Tah'ohr Muhtah just for kicks
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<Zepath|SB> Who are you and what do you do?
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<lonan3|TM> Hello
<lonan3|TM> I am the High Priest Lonan
<lonan3|TM> I am the leader of Tah'ohr Muhtah
<lonan3|TM> We are preparing the world for the secound coming of the Lord of Torment
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<lonan3|TM> we will destroy all opposition to our cause but we will reward our allies
<lonan3|TM> tonight our head diplomate Guru will represent us for these meetings
<lonan3|TM> thank you that is all for now
<Zepath|SB> Great!  Plenty good lonan, thank you.
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<Zepath|SB> Let's get the Yakuza speaking
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<Zepath|SB> Who are you and what do you do?
<DarkSoul> Sin is a sect of Ykz, or Yakuza: A tightly-knit gaming guild of friends that has been around for over five years. We have had shards in Myth, BattleTech, Ultima Online, EverQuest, Tribes, and more... With a dedicated core of members, this invite-only faction strives to attain power and perfection. Our direct goals for Atriarch are unannounced. "Honor. Power. Unity."  http://www.enteract.com/~darksabr/sin/
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<Zepath|SB> Alright, the Shayun
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<Zepath|SB> Who are you and what do you do?
<Renkon|SB> Greetings, I am Renkon Sy'ruul.  I am the Lord General of Shayun.  We seek to build a strong base of operations, relying on a stong military and stong alliances.  We plan to set up a large and prosperous tradeing empire.
<Renkon|SB> done
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<Zepath|SB> if i missed any faction, message me now
<Zepath|SB> FU!
<Zepath|SB> yes FU too
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<Zepath|SB> Who are you and what do you do?
<EolirinXianve> Hiya. I'm in Forged Unity.
<EolirinXianve> We're gonna build a city. But the faction is really an elaborate front for my schemes of Atriana World Domination.
<EolirinXianve> bwahaha
<Zepath|SB> Right, and what else is new?  :D
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<Zepath|SB> moving on with some speed now
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<Zepath|SB> as long as there's nodoby else...
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<Zepath|SB> Ok.  Topic I.
<Guru|TM> What about it?
<Zepath|SB> There is a need to address the current conflict between the Karshan Empire and the Tah'ohr Muhtah.  Let's touch on diplomatic relations and war in general, and try not to concentrate on personal arguements...
* Zang|Karshan blinks.
<Zepath|SB> The floor is yours representatives:
<Zang|Karshan> May I start?
<Zepath|SB> Proceed.
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<Zang|Karshan> Well. It is the position of the Karshan Empire, that actual willfull insults
<poq> 'lo. I'll just be observing.
<Zang|Karshan> were directed in public on several occasions
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<Zang|Karshan> towards Allmighty Glurg\
<Zang|Karshan> in an attempt to inflame the passions
<Zang|Karshan> of Glurg-Worshippers everywhere
<Guru|TM> OBJECTION!
<Zang|Karshan> and start a conflict.
<Kaldaur|FoA> ha
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<EolirinXianve> ...
<EolirinXianve> Glurg is really just a front for my plans of world domination!
<Kaldaur|FoA> So you're saying because they don't follow the same deity as you they should be destroyed?
<Zang|Karshan> And it is our position, that Lonan was the being who delivered those public insults.
<poq> Ok. I can speak for about 15 minutes before I have to depart.. so I suppose if there's anything you want to mention regarding ykz, now is an opportune time. (unless i'm interrupting something)
<Zang|Karshan> I'm saying that they publically inflamed a war intentianally
<Guru|TM> Yes, so what OBJECTION TO AN EARLIER STATEMENT!
<Zepath|SB> Noted, continue.
<EolirinXianve> Well Zang if that's the case... KILL THEM.
<Guru|TM> Heres a tip Eo, shutup
<Kaldaur|FoA> Because they do not share your beliefs, and spoke out against those beliefs, they should be hunted down...sounds likes you're taking a "HOulier than thou" stance, Zang.
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<Zang|Karshan> We shall. After they recieve a completely fair trail, under the laws laid forth in our charter.
<Zepath|SB> Guru, you will restraing yourself.
<Guru|TM> I object to that too!
<Zepath|SB> Noted, continue.
<Guru|TM> Not you Zep, what Kald said
<Zang|Karshan> The Empire operates on Law, not passion.
<Zepath|SB> Apologies.  Continue.
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<Zepath|SB> Does that close the topic?
<Zang|Karshan> That is the Karshan Empire's position.
<Soffo> actually
<Soffo> most factions here
<Soffo> are almost garunteed to die with the first two months of AT release
<Soffo> pending on eq power gamers coming along
<Zang|Karshan> Ah...I'd like to address that.
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<Soffo> just to remind you ^ ^
<camorandi|KmM> Wasn't a formal decree of death for heresy already released for lonan by the Karshans?
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<Zepath|SB> Apologies.
<Zepath|SB> Proceed.
<Zang|Karshan> Yes. The prosecution issued a writ. he may defend himself at trail.
<camorandi|KmM> trial by combat?
<Guru|TM> OKay...
<Zang|Karshan> and not heresy
<Kaldaur|FoA> A trial that shou,d if it takes place, not be defended in Zang's court but a neutral court
<camorandi|KmM> isn't that merely a cover for war?
<Zang|Karshan> heresy is not a crime
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<camorandi|KmM> pllasphemy then?
<Zang|Karshan> he is charged with blasphemy
<camorandi|KmM> blasphemy?
<Guru|TM> Here's an idea, can i talk?
<camorandi|KmM> please
<Kaldaur|FoA> it is an open discussion for the reps. guru
<Zepath|SB> Guru, the floor is open.
<Guru|TM> Ok
<Guru|TM> Here is our stance;
<Guru|TM> We didnt offend "Glug" or whatever his name is
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<Guru|TM> We simply insulted the Creator in general
<poq> ji'had!
<Guru|TM> Because he is weak
<Guru|TM> And mister Zang took it personally and threatend lonan
<Guru|TM> (Burn him of course)
<camorandi|KmM> please back up your arguement against this "creator"
<Guru|TM> And then a few of our more...vicious...members said some thing
<Guru|TM> He is weak and a fool, need i say more?
<Guru|TM> Hrmmm okay
<Guru|TM> Torment hates the creator
<Guru|TM> And we worship Torment
<Guru|TM> Therefore we hate the creator
<Guru|TM> See?
<Guru|TM> OKay now im rambleing someone else talk
<poq> gwot.
<Zang|Karshan> Well..
<camorandi|KmM> I only wish for everyone to fully understand the dichotomy of Torment and the creater, but very well
<Zang|Karshan> I think we'rve gone as far in this forum as we can on this subject
<camorandi|KmM> yes
<Zepath|SB> There are 2 minutes remaining.
<Zang|Karshan> I think we should address Soffo's statement
<Kaldaur|FoA> all we're going to do is yell at each other, and accomplish nothing
<camorandi|KmM> lets move on
<Zepath|SB> General consensus to move on?
<Guru|TM> It is war, as declared by General Zang and High Preist Lonan, they hate eachother
<Kaldaur|FoA> i second the movement
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<Zepath|SB> Topic I is closed.
<Zepath|SB> On to Topic II.
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<Zepath|SB> Ruhkmm felt that we should address the possible threat by PKs to Atriana.  Thoughts?
<Soffo> I fear that Glug will be Pk'd be Jhambo
<Guru|TM> There wont be any in Beta at least, i font think WF would let them in
<Soffo> Jahmbo
<Zang|Karshan> We need a strong centralized Empire to fight banditry.
<Soffo> then I will be TT
<poq> Are there any factions here that have a strict policy of no PvP?
<Guru|TM> I dont think so
<Zang|Karshan> Otherwise, the PKS will sweep all factions into the sea.
<Chizi|DM> I, personally, do not beleive PK's will form the kind of threat that most of you beleive.
<Soffo> thats going to happen anyway
<Spenser|Founders> This isn't EQ, Soffo
<Guru|TM> The PKs should be understood, and then used
* Zepath|SB requests that Chizi elaborate.
<Guru|TM> not killed
<Renkon|SB> We should set up a system to let each faction know of the pk threat in their areas.. and deal with them swiftly and harshly
<Chizi|DM> For many reasons, the formost being the amount of time and equiptment that it will require to effectivly kill.
<Soffo> Spenser
<Soffo> it is
<Spenser|Founders> Please elaborate
<Soffo> its another MMORPG with pking
<camorandi|KmM> it would need to be centralized, and powerful enough to defeat our solidarity
<Zang|Karshan> PKs will have more time and equipment
<Zang|Karshan> they always do
<Soffo> do you think the idea of uber guilds wont be present?
<poq> The permadeath bit will certainly help curb the "pk menace." However, it's a double-edged sword.
<Kaldaur|FoA> aye poq
<Soffo> there will be uber guilds
<Kaldaur|FoA> yes, as in every game
<Spenser|Founders> I don't think that AT will appeal to your average PKer - time will tell, though
<Zang|Karshan> Cabn you imagine "The Mercs" from darktide in AT?
<Soffo> none of the guilds in here present "uber" status so far
<Guru|TM> Whats wrong with a double edged sword? ts a shap hilt that'll get ya
<Kaldaur|FoA> but in this one we can actually do something about it
<Chizi|DM> That is an untruth, Zang|Karshan
<poq> =p
<Soffo> Kaldaur, yeah
<Soffo> but will you play 20 hours a day
<Soffo> straight, everyday?
<Kaldaur|FoA> no
* Zepath|SB wonders if time spent will matter with persistance.
<Kaldaur|FoA> but they are only a few people
<Zang|Karshan> "The Mercs" will outpower all within weeks of retail starting
<Soffo> no, they're ot
<Soffo> not
<Kaldaur|FoA> and 100 uber people
<Soffo> you've never played everquest
<EolirinXianve> poq there is no skill loss
<Kaldaur|FoA> cannot outmatch thousand's of the masses
<Guru|TM> Well, we have to consider, all your loosing if you die is your equipment...
<EolirinXianve> perma-death is an illusion.
<Kaldaur|FoA> ohh yes i have
<Chizi|DM> PK's in other games had a large advantage because they could run out, kill a bunch of useless creatures and get stronger
<Zang|Karshan> or "The feared", ect
<poq> I think it'll actually be easier to stake a claim to an area than on AC's Darktide. Simply put, you can build fortresses, hire native reinforcements.... it's just a matter of who gets to the choice properties first. And who has enough strategic ability to distribute his resources accordingly.
<Chizi|DM> And get more money
<Soffo> oh..
<Soffo> you were the one who knew FoH right?
<Kaldaur|FoA> aye
<Soffo> well
<Kaldaur|FoA> I grew up around uber
<Soffo> you know what their additude is
<Soffo> half of the guild, anyway
<Zang|Karshan> Poq..if you can't hold it..you're simply building it for the PKS.
<Kaldaur|FoA> aye, and we couldn't fight them in that game
<Soffo> the otherhalf could care less
<Soffo> yeah
<Soffo> thats what I mean
<Guru|TM> okay...uhh this topic has gone to hell =/
<Soffo> there are LOTS of those guilds out there
<Zepath|SB> Noted... continue.
<Kaldaur|FoA> but in this game we can stand a chance
<Soffo> and they WILL kill these guilds in here
<Soffo> whether you like it or not
<Soffo> Kaldaur, you stand less of a chance
<poq> Eo: Yes, it's an illusion. The only real disadvantage is equipment loss, which can be easily worked around, and translocation.. which is a bit more difficult
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<Kaldaur|FoA> why soffo?
<Chizi|DM> In Atriarch it won't be as easy...they'll need to train to be good fighters! And the people who have centralized power will have just as much ability to train (via persistance) as the PKers...
<Zang|Karshan> If we dont band together, we will be swept aside, like the 100s of Indian tribes were in North America
<Guru|TM> Poq, you loose your Chars name too
<Zepath|SB> <ism> They seem to forget that even the pkers can not log off....
<Spenser|Founders> You know, lack of PKs in beta isn't a good thing.
<Chizi|DM> Sigh...I really muct learn to type
<poq> A dogged grief player or a group of them could easily cause mischief against you. However, when they die, it'll be a while before they can cause mischief towards you again.
<Guru|TM> Which can be a big deal
<EolirinXianve> Guru, OH RIGHT like anyone but an RPer will care about name loss.
<poq> Guru: I'm talking about things of value to the PKer.
<poq> Oh, yes, there are also the karma birds.
<Guru|TM> Im talking about the names
<Zepath|SB> Karma Birds are not the issue.
<Guru|TM> Eo; arnet alot of us RPers?
<Kaldaur|FoA> We can beat them
<Spenser|Founders> Perhaps we should organize a PK group at some point during beta, to see how it goes
<Kaldaur|FoA> It will take time, and it will be very difficult
<poq> What  I want to know is how the game detects a kill. Due to the dynamic nature of the world... if you cause an avalanche, will all the people that die because of the avalanche be counted as victims of your action?
<EolirinXianve> Guru, not the pkers. ;p
<Spenser|Founders> that is, if we can't get any Real PKers (tm)
<Guru|TM> "Greaif PLayers" may target RPers to make them loose their names
<Zang|Karshan> My guild is experienced on Darktide...we've SEEN PKS up close and personal...without a centralized government, they will rule AT
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<poq> What if it was accidental? Can the game make a distinction?
<poq> Zang: That's probably true.
<Zepath|SB> Zang, I've seen them in the same arena you have.
<camorandi|KmM> thenwork as a centaized council
<Guru|TM> Well, we wont have to wory about Zone Campers, heh
<camorandi|KmM> then work as a centralized council
<Zang|Karshan> Can you imagine Black Rose appearing over your city...all 600 of them?
<Chizi|DM> AT is NOT AC...::sigh:: it is frustrating when you try to assosiate to so very different games
<Zepath|SB> Noted Chizi.
<Kaldaur|FoA> The world is so huge, that we can survive
<poq> Chizi: That's correct. However, AT actually gives the powergamer more opportunity to enforce a rule upon an area.
<poq> Kaldaur: That's what they said about UO.
<Soffo> At currently is powergame wonderland
<Guru|TM> Well, i want no part of an Anti-PK counsil
<Soffo> macroing, etc..
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<Zang|Karshan> AT will be a much better game than AC...but people are the same people
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<Soffo> you cant beat powergamers at their own game
<Kaldaur|FoA> Who says we should try to beat them?
<Chizi|DM> But anyone can have their people train 24 hours a day
<Guru|TM> Use them
<EolirinXianve> There's no macroing issue in Atriarch.
<Zang|Karshan> you can beat powergamers at one thing...cooperation and organization
<Kaldaur|FoA> Do you possible believe that all these uber guild will like each other?
<Chizi|DM> Exactly...put them in your army
<Soffo> Kaldaur
<Soffo> you did
<Soffo> but
<Soffo> the issue is
<Zang|Karshan> Lions fight for territory, but the sheep are lunch
<camorandi|KmM> Zang- this I agree with, but only in a democratic sense
<Soffo> whether Serafina can pull this off
<Sarvas> i like to eat sheep for lunch
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<Guru|TM> And Powerplayers have another advantage, they don't Roleplay
<poq> Chizi: You can put them in your army. However, chances are they'll want to lead the army, and, eventually, your faction.
<Soffo> currently, its looked away by many powergamers
<Soffo> that will cost AT ALOT of revenue
<Zang|Karshan> I hope they keep looking away
<Kaldaur|FoA> We have to remember Serafina is tyring to make a profit...
<Soffo> Zang
<Soffo> ok
<Kaldaur|FoA> And they will eventually have to concide they will come
<Soffo> then you dont like atriarch, do you
<Guru|TM> Thats why she's putting in "Global Telepathy"
<Zang|Karshan> there are many who'd pay to be free of powergamers
<Zepath|SB> If I may interject, I think 'powergamers' will suffer without a solid Level system or Grandmaster status to achieve.  This all depends on the visibilty of stats of course, but you see my point?
<Renkon|SB> Basiclly we will have to wait and see.. but keep an open mind about forming a strong alliance to fend them off.
<Chizi|DM> Actually, I doubt most powergamers will want to lead anything but the army
<Soffo> Zang
<Soffo> there are many
<Soffo> but not enough
<Kaldaur|FoA> Zepath, I agree
<Guru|TM> Many POwergames might not want to lead anything
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<Zang|Karshan> That's not hard data soffo, that's just generalization
<Guru|TM> They just want to level/gain skills
<EolirinXianve> Guru... no by nature powergamers will attempt to become atriarch.
<Zepath|SB> That will be all for now, please end your debate on Topic II.
<camorandi|KmM> guru - They want power
<EolirinXianve> Powergamers want to be the BEST. In all previous games that means skills/stats/levels
<Zepath|SB> Moving on...
<EolirinXianve> in Atriarch it'll mean being Atriarch.
<Sarvas> i think we need to discuss the topic of Socks
<Soffo> powergamers want to have fun.. thats all there is to it
* Zang|Karshan agrees with Eol...and moves on :)
<EolirinXianve> No, those are casual players.
<Guru|TM> Atriarchs will be roleplayers... or leaders of powergame guilds
<Soffo> nope
<Zepath|SB> All points noted, representative support to move on.
<Chizi|DM> Of course
<Kaldaur|FoA> aye
<Spenser|Founders> Yep
<Renkon|SB> moveing on
<Sarvas> the Socks issue is really burning these days
* Zang|Karshan waggles a head-tentacle.
<Zepath|SB> Topic III.
<Sarvas> Socks.
<Kaldaur|FoA> i don't think sarvas is taking this very seriously
<Sarvas> sorry
<Sarvas> too much bug juice
<Soffo> Socks are an important issue!
<camorandi|KmM> forgive me, I must leave. D'Voxien will take my place.
<Kaldaur|FoA> hehe
<Zepath|SB> Ruhkmm's suggestion to discuss the formulation of an Atriarch Anti-D3wd Coallition (AADC).  His concept was a strike force intended to hunt down 'd3wds'.  Thoughts?
<Renkon|SB> I think this is repetative of the last topic really..
<Zang|Karshan> True
<Soffo> Zepath
<Soffo> one thought
<EolirinXianve> heh. we can't do that.
<Kaldaur|FoA> aye, we'll just get going again
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<Soffo> there have been those group of players in one game
<Soffo> UO
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<Soffo> not in AC
<Soffo> or in EQ
<Zang|Karshan> We need a strong Empire, and an Imperial Strike Force.
<EolirinXianve> We can
<Soffo> its not going to be a problem
<EolirinXianve> can't go enforcing our world veiw on other people...
<Renkon|SB> I agree with Zang, if not his methods
<Guru|TM> I think ill saty out of this.
<Soffo> they're not going to get in force to plague a Sci-Fi game that they cant exploit horribly
<DVox|KmM> I also agree with Zang, but im not in favor of assimilating into the land of glurg
<Zang|Karshan> Those who commit Dudeism should be imprisoned.
<poq> Empire? Imperial Strike force? Kinda sounds like star wars =)
<Zang|Karshan> They copied us :)
<Zepath|SB> Aliens and Empires
<Soffo> i'll supply the Imperial strike force with white plastic
<Kaldaur|FoA> We cannot enforce our views upong them, but we should try to police inappropiate behavior
<Soffo> from Karshan's banks
<Guru|TM> This sounds like the last Topic
<DVox|KmM> I think we should form a United Factions Council
<Zang|Karshan> Ok...heres an idea...
<Zepath|SB> Topic II was the threat, Topic III is a possible resoultion.
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<Sarvas> i will lead an anti-d3wd campaign. We will all dress in tight leather and carry whips. that will scare them all away
<poq> Alright. From now on, I'll be observing.
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<Zang|Karshan> One strong centralized state with an impenatrable Fortress-City at the heart of the world.
<EolirinXianve> there is no heart of the world.
<Guru|TM> The Core
<Zang|Karshan> Providing security for all Civilization.
<EolirinXianve> Won't work.
<DVox|KmM> We should be able to unite, but not have to incroach on the beliefs or ideals of the factions themselves
<EolirinXianve> World's too big to effectively police.
<DVox|KmM> Yes, but if we dont fight among each other
<EolirinXianve> Why not?
<DVox|KmM> and resist the initial PK rush
<Sarvas> we should unite, and fight all evil
<Guru|TM> I say we wait and see if its even a problem... if we see any stirrings then we can strike th problem
<Zang|Karshan> As it is...we'll all be spread so far apart that we'll never see each other
<Sarvas> Evil things like PKers, d3wds, and the occasional Lawyer
<DVox|KmM> Thats true Zang
<Zang|Karshan> unless the PKs and powergamers sell you all overseas after enslaving you ;)
<Guru|TM> Its usless to play this defensively
<EolirinXianve> d3wds aren't evil unless they're griefs or bug exploiters
<Guru|TM> We have to attack the problem
<Spenser|Founders> No, they're just annoying
<DVox|KmM> We track there i.p.'s to their homes and spank them
<Sarvas> with whips?
<Zepath|SB> I believe the first step in the right direction is to define the term 'k3wld00d'
<Sarvas> while wearing tight leather clothes?
<DVox|KmM> those who would band against us just to cause 'grief'
<Zang|Karshan> Ok. Could you all at least build some city walls..and make sure you're at least 2 days travel from a start town?
<DVox|KmM> We can work together to smash PK uprisings
* Zepath|SB raises an eyebrow to Zang.
<DVox|KmM> yes, city walls are a must
<EolirinXianve> 1. We shouldn't smash the pks.
<Zang|Karshan> Being located near a start-town means you will be overrun
<EolirinXianve> 2. If we work together we're breaking character.
<Soffo> Eolirin is a pk, Eolirin is a pk, Eolirin is a pk
<Soffo> everyone get him
<Guru|TM> lol
<DVox|KmM> with proper defenses we can defend a relatively small city with a small army
<Sarvas> heh
<Sarvas> sick 'em Soffo
<Guru|TM> Or we can trap the enemy in!
<EolirinXianve> If we kill all the pkers then there's no risk left in the game.
<EolirinXianve> And that'd SUCK.
<Guru|TM> Walls are not necssesary
<Spenser|Founders> Eol: PK = murderer, meaning a civilized society must smash them, eh?
<Soffo> Eolirin, guess what
<Soffo> that will never, ever happen
<Soffo> if you try to do that, you go down first
<Kaldaur|FoA> you can never kill them off
<Soffo> not them
<Zang|Karshan> Soffo is correct
<Guru|TM> They get killed, they come back five minutes later
<Kaldaur|FoA> They'll always be there
<Spenser|Founders> Plenty of risk left - then we fight each other :-)
<EolirinXianve> Which is why we NEED skill loss.
<Zang|Karshan> like lice in the desert
<DVox|KmM> they will not come back 5 min later and spank you
<Kaldaur|FoA> But we can protect ourselves
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<Zang|Karshan> Permanent death.
<Spenser|Founders> Eol: yes, I too hope that spawning isn't too effective
<DVox|KmM> we can help each other protect ourselves
<EolirinXianve> There's currently no skill loss.
* Zang|Karshan nods at DVox.
<EolirinXianve> I must convince serafina otherwise.
<Guru|TM> You mean like sleep with her?
<Zang|Karshan> We need serious loss at death of skills.
<Guru|TM> errr'
<Guru|TM> Whoops
<EolirinXianve> Zang, it needs to be scaled.
<Chizi|DM> I, at the least, agree there
<EolirinXianve> Pkers and Atriarchs loose the most.
<Spenser|Founders> Combat skills, anyway...
<Sarvas> ewww.. Skill loss at death is evil
<EolirinXianve> Merchants and crafstmen loose the least.
<Spenser|Founders> It's DEATH - come on!
<Spenser|Founders> This ain't AC, after all
<Zang|Karshan> I support TOTAL skill loss at Death.
<Guru|TM> Mabye we could make a bunch of newbies, charge them, and when they kill us, we come back and they get carried away by Karma birds!
<Zang|Karshan> If you die, you DIE.
<EolirinXianve> Zang you can't do that and keep customers.
<EolirinXianve> It just won't happen.
<Zang|Karshan> Hmm, you may be right.
<DVox|KmM> we are really going to have to see what sort of Alliance will be necessary once weve beta tested it
<Spenser|Founders> Eol: I agree, but there's a balance - skill loss is good
<Guru|TM> We have to FORCE them to kill newbies
<Zang|Karshan> We'll be too spread out in Beta to really test it
<EolirinXianve> If you scale it so that murdering people results in a hit while the mapmaker doesn't get hit...
<Guru|TM> then, they will get fed up
<DVox|KmM> hmm
<DVox|KmM> What if we gathered on the Lokai continent
<Spenser|Founders> Zang: that's a good point; for a good beta we had best start in the same region
<Guru|TM> Or not
<DVox|KmM> how many PKs do you think are going to play a lokai??
<Zang|Karshan> I was thinking Unarra continent
<Sarvas> about 678
<Zang|Karshan> Because it has mountains
<Sarvas> is my guess
<Kaldaur|FoA> They'll play Tyrusin and Eshlar
<EolirinXianve> ...
<DVox|KmM> thats my guess
<Zang|Karshan> Mountains are great equalizers for small, trained armies
<Renkon|SB> I agree with trying to start in the same area in beta.. it would be a good testing ground for our tactics and stuff
<Zang|Karshan> The swiss and afghans used them well
<EolirinXianve> The pkers will have a rough time if they're in the Tyrusin faction.
<Guru|TM> Hrmm, you must understand, TM cant
<EolirinXianve> They'd have to not become part of the Tyrusin Atriarchy.
<DVox|KmM> yes, we must use beta to find naturally fortified homes, so we can find them on release
<Guru|TM> We'd get Gangbanged by everyone
<Sarvas> mmmmmmm.. gangbanged
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<Zang|Karshan> Yes, DVox....like mountains and islands
<DVox|KmM> Something that will be hard to find, and easy to build up until ready to be seen
<Spenser|Founders> Guru: you might be right, but beta would be a good time to fight with lots of others, including your "Friends"
<DVox|KmM> agreed Spenser
<Guru|TM> Hah! Yea right your trying to trick me
<DVox|KmM> we should see what sort of a threat they can pose before we can defend properly
<EolirinXianve> Beta is the time in which we have to do every dirty rotten thing to each other that we can.
<Zang|Karshan> actually..we might want to "test" large scale defenses and battles in Beta
<DVox|KmM> yes, thats a good idea
<Spenser|Founders> Let's use beta to improve the game first - agreed, Zang
<Soffo> Eolirin, theres no lubricants known in game yet
<EolirinXianve> Soffo. How typical.
<EolirinXianve> ;p
<Soffo> you asked
<Sarvas> ahha
<Spenser|Founders> So perhaps I will be Sp3ns3rPKD00D in beta
<Zang|Karshan> I suggest we all gather on Unarra Continent
<Soffo> nah
<Spenser|Founders> You know, I'll bet WF has already thought of this
<Soffo> lets bow to Glug
<Soffo> and ask for d3wdism
<Zang|Karshan> Glurg
<DVox|KmM> I think we should equally explore every continent as much as we can
<Kaldaur|FoA> hehe
<Spenser|Founders> They will probably launch everyone on one or two continents, doncha think?
<Soffo> you sure its not Glug?
<Guru|TM> That would mean the other continents would be untested
<EolirinXianve> ... serafina's shown some idealistic streaks that frankly scare me.
<Soffo> i'm pretty sure it is
<Guru|TM> And this is assuming we are getting into beta
<Sarvas> thought of what Spenser? lubricants?
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<Zang|Karshan> Ah, I see what you mean
<EolirinXianve> like this no skill loss.
<Spenser|Founders> Guru: Yeah, but so what?
<Kaldaur|FoA> most of us in here will be in beta
<Zang|Karshan> I plan to have an alter-ego who is a simple barkeeper somewhere
<Spenser|Founders> We hope, anyway
<Guru|TM> How do you know?
<Zang|Karshan> for variety
<DVox|KmM> hehe
<Kaldaur|FoA> we just will
<Guru|TM> Oh yea thats right! You dont
<Zang|Karshan> There are no guarantees ANY of us will be in beta
<glech|SB> test
<glech|SB> ohh i can talk
<Zang|Karshan> ....until my check to Serafina clears ;)
<Guru|TM> Lol
<glech|SB> zep is gone so i guess i will take over
<Renkon|SB> I think we have all stated our points on this topic.. and can keep that in mind during private faction talks.. I see Zepath has left, so there is no one to move us on now
<glech|SB> this topic is pretty much over
<glech|SB> i think we should move on
<Zang|Karshan> true
<Guru|TM> lol
<Spenser|Founders> yep
<DVox|KmM> I think we should also agree that limited info on how the game REALLY functions should be kept off your faction sites, so we dont give anyone but ourselves an advantage come game time
<glech|SB> does anyone know what the 4th topic is?  :)
<Sarvas> i think Soffo brought up a good topic...... Lubricants in Atriarch.. the issued has been burning in my mind for a long time now
<Zang|Karshan> Whoah...wait...
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<Zang|Karshan> I want to address that...
<EolirinXianve> Sarv are you a ykz?
<Zang|Karshan> About information..
<Sarvas> no, im a zky
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<EolirinXianve> Figured as much. ;p
<Guru|TM> Can we move on?
<Spenser|Founders> Zang?
<Zang|Karshan> Many powergamers use beta to horde info..including info on bugs...I think that would be a BAD idea...share all info, and get the bugs fixed in Beta...that's what a beta test is for
<Renkon|SB> right
<EolirinXianve> Yes. Exactly.
<Spenser|Founders> Ditto
<Sarvas> what are you saying EolirinXianve, that us YKZ have a thing for Lubricants?
<Guru|TM> Hey, you know the last Topic was  Kal's idea lets move to that
<DVox|KmM> right, but excluding game mechanics
<EolirinXianve> No, YKZ has a thing for ass rape. ;p
<Zang|Karshan> Groups like "The Mercs" who hid bugs to exploit in retail are lowly scum...report all bugs
* Sarvas bends EolirinXianve over his knee
* EolirinXianve eats Sarvas
<Guru|TM> Okay this meeting has gone to hell
<Zang|Karshan> (that was AC Beta Test)
<glech|SB> i am trying to find what the 4th topic is one sec everyone
<Zang|Karshan> what is next topic?
<DVox|KmM> I fully intend to report all bugs, im talking about things that would give PKers a head start, like ruiners, plant breeding techniques, advancing skills
<glech|SB> no one knows  :)  one sec zang
<DVox|KmM> etc..
<Zang|Karshan> Ah, I see what you mean
<Zang|Karshan> Yes, don't put spoilers on the web
<Zang|Karshan> let the PKs do their own research
<EolirinXianve> No...
<DVox|KmM> yes
<Guru|TM> Sont put much of anything on the web
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<EolirinXianve> if we don't put out spoilers pks will have THAT much more of an edge over the normal people.
<Soffo> can I put pics of myself on the web
<glech|SB> zep!
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<Soffo> and charge people
<DVox|KmM> keep the spoilers in the channels
<Renkon|SB> welcome back zep.. we are ready for the 4th topic
<Zang|Karshan> Well, then the normal people better join the Empire ;)
<DVox|KmM> and on private boards I think
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<glech|SB> alright everyone topics over
<Guru|TM> Yes we need it
<DVox|KmM> hehe
<Renkon|SB> doh
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<Sarvas> i would pay for pics of Soffo
<glech|SB> zep its all yours
<Zepath> EXTENDED APOLOGIES
<Guru|TM> lol
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<Guru|TM> Okay move one
<Zepath> everyone reach an agreement to destroy aol?
<Guru|TM> err on
<DVox|KmM> hehe
<Renkon|SB> heh
<EolirinXianve> AOL sux0rz.
<Guru|TM> No but we should have
<Sarvas> hahaha.. you use AOL
<Zepath> shh...
<DVox|KmM> eeeek
<EolirinXianve> Poor Zepath.
<Zepath> ok, anyway
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* DVox|KmM shudders at the thought.
<EolirinXianve> Your life has lead you astray.
<Zang|Karshan> America Off Line?
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<Zepath> now that Topic III is done with :D
<Renkon|SB> aye
<Zepath> Topic IV!
<Zepath> whew
<Guru|TM> Yes we kill topic 3
<Guru|TM> killed
<Zepath> Indeed.
* Zang|Karshan looks at the poor beaten body of Topic III.
<Spenser|Founders> For $64,000, what is topic IV?  (No lifelines left)
<Zepath> Let's try a suggested topic, Religious freedom among and within factions both domestic and foreign.  "Glurg or Death".  Thoughts?
<Guru|TM> lol Zep dosnt know either!
<Sarvas> I have no COmment about this topic!
<EolirinXianve> Glurg or Death rox0rz! Woo Death~
<Zang|Karshan> That's a misqoute
<DVox|KmM> did my modem just die, or is the another topic?
<Guru|TM> no and i dont care
<Renkon|SB> That may be a touchy subject to talk about here..
<Zang|Karshan> It's actually :"Glurg or senseless barbarism"
<Spenser|Founders> We believe that state religions are odious, and have no business in a civilized society - so there!
<DVox|KmM> God vs God = inevitable war
<Guru|TM> GLug or whoever is a barbarian butthumper!
<Spenser|Founders> I hope I spelled "odious" right...
<Zang|Karshan> Every society needs a unifying ideal.
<Guru|TM> Like americans and being fat!
<EolirinXianve> Dvox, War is GOOD. It breeds good role-playing.
<DVox|KmM> hehe
<Zang|Karshan> Without a unifying ideal, large societies splinter apart.
<Spenser|Founders> Yes, like prosperity and freedom of thought for its citizens
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<EolirinXianve> If there are no wars, no conflicts then there's precious little in the way of change.
<DVox|KmM> War does breed good rping, but so does a coexistance in gods
<Ruhkmm> Sorry!
<Guru|TM> And the right to eat junk food!
<Spenser|Founders> Req!
<glech|SB> ruhkmm!
<Zepath> His arrival is noted
<Zepath> Continue.
<Guru|TM> You know what else Breeds RPing?
<Guru|TM> RPers
<DVox|KmM> me thinks you will all have plenty of fighting on your hands when it comes to the PKers
<Spenser|Founders> Well said!
<Zang|Karshan> RPers breed RPing?
<Guru|TM> Hmmm it was suppose to be a dumb joke but now that i read it it sounds decent
<Zang|Karshan> I thought that might be the case.
<Guru|TM> It means if we RP others will follow
<EolirinXianve> DYou have sent a message!
<EolirinXianve> int Function(int x)
<EolirinXianve> {
<EolirinXianve>     if (x<5)
<EolirinXianve>        x=++x, Function;
<EolirinXianve>     else
<EolirinXianve>       return x;
<Spenser|Founders> Yes, i.e. if the players want to RP they can RP in almost any situation
<EolirinXianve> }
<EolirinXianve> not sure if that's coded properly but that'll give you an idea...
<EolirinXianve> You have sent a message!
<Soffo> spammer
<EolirinXianve> int Function(int x)
<EolirinXianve> {
<Zepath> Eol...
<EolirinXianve>     if (x<5)
<EolirinXianve>        x=++x, Function;
<Soffo> spammer
<EolirinXianve>     else
<Guru|TM> LOl WTF?
<EolirinXianve>       return x;
<Soffo> kick
<Soffo> ban
<EolirinXianve> }
<EolirinXianve> not sure if that's coded properly but that'll give you an idea...
<Guru|TM> Eat!
<EolirinXianve> eeeeek!
<EolirinXianve> I did NOT mean to do that.
<EolirinXianve> I did NOT mean to do that.
<Ruhkmm> That's too bad
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<Zang|Karshan> Um, this is not the coding forum
<Ruhkmm> I was just about to -v you too ...
<Ruhkmm> Never mind =D
<Zepath> yes, it was
<Guru|TM> OKay, what are we talking about?
<Zang|Karshan> What is topic 4?
<Sarvas> programming? ehhe
<Spenser|Founders> Why state religions are silly, wasn't it?
<Ruhkmm> nick Ruhkmm|KmM
<Guru|TM> NObody knows
<glech|SB> you can't nick in here req
* Ruhkmm sighs
<Ruhkmm> Good point
<Soffo> someone explain to me who/what Glug is
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<Zang|Karshan> Every society needs a unifying ideal to bind it together
<Ruhkmm> Zang?
<Soffo> and who is the Tormenter of bowels
<Spenser|Founders> You already said that, Zang!
<Guru|TM> Yea
<Zang|Karshan> Glurg Worship will bring Atrianese closer.
<Guru|TM> So will  nucular threat
<Ruhkmm> May I add to the Glurg topic?
<Guru|TM> But who cares
<Guru|TM> yes you may
<Soffo> what if we feel like owning Glug the day the game releases?
<Zang|Karshan> what?
<Sarvas> i will worship Cheese, and that is all i have to say about this topic. Thx
<Zang|Karshan> That question confuses me?
<Ruhkmm> I would just like to point out that many of us have been thinking about the topic of Glurg
<Guru|TM> Glug is my pet hamster
<Guru|TM> Glurg is a silly god
<Ruhkmm> And many seem to believe that it is merely a power hungry general's attempt to enlarge his faction
<Guru|TM> No offense to anyone who thinks hamsters should have better names
<Ruhkmm> How do you respond to this, Zang?
<Zang|Karshan> I see that the TM do not fall far from the same tree
<Guru|TM> Yes we own hamsters
<Soffo> I am glug
<Soffo> glug/glurg whoever
<Zang|Karshan> Well
<Guru|TM> Your my hamster?
<Zang|Karshan> I'll say this
<Soffo> yes
<Guru|TM> Oh okay
<Zepath> The topic does not involve hampsters.
<Zepath> Continue.
<Sarvas> good
<Zang|Karshan> I think that after 9 months on Darktide...
<Soffo> you'll haxor yourself and get banned?
<Zang|Karshan> my core group *might* be able to come to Atriarch, and build a city that will survive the PK onslaughts
<Guru|TM> Why not PK the PKs?
<EolirinXianve> If there are any.
<EolirinXianve> Because you can'
<EolirinXianve> t
<EolirinXianve> they're better at it then you are.
<Zepath> Because you can suddenly weather a wildly different game because you've plated Asheron's Call?
<Zepath> played
<Zang|Karshan> Come to darktide and show me your simple solution
<Ruhkmm> Zang, you still haven't answered me.
<Ruhkmm> Or perhaps my wording was a little off
<Guru|TM> Oh i was talking about starting the game
<Soffo> umm
<Soffo> all the good UO players left years ago
<DVox|KmM> but I think we have the mighty Serafina in our corner  =)  They are playing too
<Zang|Karshan> Ok..here's what I think that I've learned from AC
<Renkon|SB> Ok, this has ended in all against Zang it seems.. can we move on?
<Guru|TM> If your a developed game my idea wouldnt work
<Zepath> There is none.  AC does not have a system for defending aginst PKs.  The PvP system there was an afterthought.
<Zang|Karshan> 1) Coaltions will fall. Always. The enemy will exploit the links between the coalition.
<Ruhkmm> I do not wish to direct the summit against any individual, but I must concur with Zepath. Any experience you may have on the poorly planned DarkTide server is nearly null and void in the world of Atriana.
<Guru|TM> PK's dont generally band together in large groups...
<Soffo> 2) Glurg will have sexual experiences and destroy the Karshan?
<EolirinXianve> Req that's not true.
<Zang|Karshan> 2) Democracy will not work. Only a strongly enforced simple code of laws will work to prevent chaos.
<Ruhkmm> Then please elaborate, Eol
<Guru|TM> Monarchy
<Soffo> darn, Zang, thats only whats already there
<EolirinXianve> Any game in which there are player created governmental systems will hold some relevance to ATriarch.
<Zang|Karshan> 3) PKs will destroy any large group of Godd FIRST, before turning on themselves.
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<Guru|TM> But there are many groups of good
<EolirinXianve> They're not so WILDLY different that the lessons learned from one are null and void in another.
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<Kaldaur|FoA> thanks
<EolirinXianve> Guru, yes and they will be fought against first.
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<Zang|Karshan> 4) PKs will easily destroy one Good group after another..and each group will be quiet..hoping that if they stay silent that they won't be next...and they WILL be next.
<Ruhkmm> So, Zang, you believe an alliance will be inneffective?
<glech|SB> like that famous nazi quote
<Guru|TM> I highly doubt a bunch of loosly put together PK raiding parties will be able to fell the AAlliance
<Spenser|Founders> So are we equating PK = evil?  I hope not.  There can be a well-RPed, interesting evil group, yes?
<EolirinXianve> Guru you totaly underestimate pks.
<Guru|TM> Yes i do
<Zang|Karshan> Any coalition of seperate and distinct groups will end in internal warfare...and here's why...
<Guru|TM> Especially becuase they will be on your level
<Guru|TM> And you have armies
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<Guru|TM> This game wont be like AC/EQ/UO
<Zang|Karshan> ..you will recruit people. Grief players and Doods will join. Then they will start fights..but onltyy with other groups in coalition...soon, your coalition collapses from "internal" fighting.
<EolirinXianve> Guru...
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<Soffo> Zang
* Spenser|Founders steps out for a moment
<Guru|TM> you will have cities, armies guarding the cities
<Soffo> that doesnt happen if people are "smart"
<Zang|Karshan> People AREN't smart :)
<Guru|TM> But i dont care because im not standing in the way of any PK's
<EolirinXianve> Zang is quite correct.
<Ruhkmm> Zang, many things have falled that were later accomplished with excellence by others
<Zang|Karshan> I will say this....
<Ruhkmm> Perhaps if this negative factor were addressed, the problem would be solved with a similar solution.
* Zepath notes that time for this topic has come to an end.
<EolirinXianve> The only way to solve this problem is with skill loss.
<Zepath> Continue.
* Ruhkmm grins in the general direction of Eol
<Guru|TM> No thats not true at all
<Zang|Karshan> Three times on AC I attempted to form a coalition of Anti-PK guilds..in 3 different cities, with 3 seperate groups of allies...the same EXACT results occured each time..only the names changed.
<Guru|TM> Eo skill loss is not going to stop PK's
<Zepath> could be a problem with you or the game, not the concept
<EolirinXianve> Guru. you silly man.
<Zang|Karshan> If someone can form a democratic City with a Coalition, my hat will be off to you.
<Ruhkmm> So it is your belief that the coalition must have the coalition's welbeing in mind
<Soffo> wow
<EolirinXianve> It's been proven to do so.
<Ruhkmm> Not the individuals inside
<Guru|TM> PK's will be encouraged by it
<EolirinXianve> Nope.
<Soffo> you've just narrowed down one whole city that will get destroyed quickly!
<EolirinXianve> Skill loss for PKS.
<EolirinXianve> ;p
<EolirinXianve> not for newbies and merchants and craftspeople.
<Soffo> skill loss will stop atriarch, not pks
<EolirinXianve> Soffo. SCALED skill loss.
<Soffo> if the pk's dont play
<EolirinXianve> Skill loss for reds.
* Guru|TM agree's
<Soffo> thats a large sum of the money
<Soffo> no
<Ruhkmm> Excuse me
<EolirinXianve> Soffo, griefs make up a SMALL portion of the player base.
<Ruhkmm> This is not the Questions to Developers Forum
<Soffo> thats the stupidest idea i've ever heard
<Zang|Karshan> No Soffo, it's not. What percentage of AC player base is on Darktide? 20% tops?
<EolirinXianve> in fact they COST money.
<Soffo> um
<Soffo> AC is crap
<Soffo> nobody plays it
<Ruhkmm> Let's stick to interfaction discussion and not game mechanics.
<Guru|TM> This sint Darktide, Zang
* Spenser|Founders returns
<Zang|Karshan> Sorry, lets all get baclk on topic
<Ruhkmm> Zepath?
<Guru|TM> We dont know enough to argue about this, really
<Soffo> Pking will be an important issue in all new games
<Soffo> its a large sum of the player base
<EolirinXianve> Soffo, War and pvp are important.
<Soffo> and will attract more money to games
<EolirinXianve> random Pking is NOT
<Soffo> yeah, exactly
<Soffo> then why do you want that to end
<Soffo> there isnt a difference
<Guru|TM> This is soundsing like the Lonan/Krunk argument
<Zang|Karshan> When you say PK, do you mean PvP?
<Soffo> you kill someone, you kill someone
<Soffo> its that simple
<Guru|TM> Okay lets end this
<EolirinXianve> War and PVP can be channeled into appropriate streams.
<Soffo> you dont have to go into it in detail
<EolirinXianve> Pking is grief pking.
<EolirinXianve> that needs to be put to death.
<Soffo> no, its not
<Guru|TM> Lets move on
<Soffo> grief is good
<Ruhkmm> Yes.
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<EolirinXianve> Grief is BAD.
<Ruhkmm> Does anybody have a topic that has not been addressed?
<Zang|Karshan> Greif is bad.
<EolirinXianve> costs companies money.
<Soffo> you play UO, nobody cares
<Sarvas> Socks?
<Guru|TM> No its good!
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<Soffo> Grief players killed IDIOTS
<glech|SB> :)
<Soffo> many idiots
* Ruhkmm grins
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<Soffo> that they hated
<Soffo> for that reason
<Soffo> it was grief
<Ruhkmm> Zepath
<Soffo> because they did it nonstop, thats all there is to it
<Ruhkmm> New topic, please.
<Guru|TM> Is this almost over>.?
<Sarvas> Socks?
<ZepathSB> LAST TOPIC
<EolirinXianve> Soffo, 99% of people are idiots that doesn't mean they should die.
<Guru|TM> Yes it does
<Guru|TM> Wait..then ill never be alive
<EolirinXianve> Yes ;p
<Guru|TM> No they dont deserve to die!
<Sarvas> can we discuss wether there will be sexual animations included in Atriarch
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<Guru|TM> Everything is A-sexual
<ZepathSB> Topic V, and where I will leave you all to discuss indefinitely is a suggestion from Ruhkmm.  He wants to compile a table which covers the current relations between all factions in 'real-time'.  I'll let him elaborate.
<Ruhkmm> Yes, this is a project I've had in mind for nearly a week now.
<Ruhkmm> This table would show all the official factions in the Atriarch community
<Guru|TM> You can look at our Webpage for our list, im going to be. See ya
<Guru|TM> err bed
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<Ruhkmm> And elborate on two factors:
<Ruhkmm> a) Activity of the factions.
<Ruhkmm> b) Relations between the factions.
<Ruhkmm> The question is, however, how does on gauge a faction's activity?
<Ruhkmm> Anyone have any thoughts?
<Zang|Karshan> The Karshan Empire is on Good terms with all Civilized (non TM) Factions.
<ZepathSB> ...
<Soffo> When are we doing topic 6, the one you told me you'd introduce?
<ZepathSB> I think I've got a better idea...
<Spenser|Founders> Req, isn't this wildly OOC?  factions.at.pcpunks.com?
<ZepathSB> Let's talk about the necessity and the value of 'official status'.
* Ruhkmm grins -- it's my bar, I reserve the right to be oooooooooooc =P
<Zang|Karshan> Beta?
<Soffo> heh
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<Spenser|Founders> Knowledge of diplomatic relations is, in and of itself, interesting information
<Ruhkmm> (( no, seriously, though, I think that this is an important matter ))
<Soffo> creating factions before the game goes public is worthless
<Spenser|Founders> So why should there be a global database?
<Soffo> it gives you a year ahead of time to fight
<Soffo> and plan out what your going to do
<Soffo> only to be all owned and forced to create a new faction in game
<Zang|Karshan> Soffo, The Mercs were formed before Ac Beta..they did ok
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<Soffo> who are the mercs?
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<Zang|Karshan> What games have you played soffo?
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<Soffo> umm
<Ruhkmm> Zepath has discussed this on the news for his faction's site
<Soffo> basicly every online game thats been worth crap for the past 5 years
<Zang|Karshan> They have names, these games ;) ?
<Soffo> action, adventure, rpg
<Ruhkmm> Anyone have any input?
<Soffo> Zang
<Soffo> my answer is
<Soffo> any game that does not suck
<Ruhkmm> Soffo, Zang, please take your private concerns outside the meeting
<Soffo> unlike AC
<Spenser|Founders> Well, Req, I'm still wondering why the faction relations database is a good idea
<Ruhkmm> Because it gauges the activity of these factions
<Ruhkmm> How many factions are represented here?
<Spenser|Founders> OK, but why is that a good thing for the game?
<Zang|Karshan> I'm not sure a pre-game "realtime" rating of faction relations is a good idea
<Ruhkmm> Okay, then I take back that point.
<Zang|Karshan> it would simply encourage bickering
<Spenser|Founders> Or a during-game rating, for that matter
<Ruhkmm> But I still believe a meter to gauge faction activity may be important
<Ruhkmm> At least pre-beta, anyway
<Ruhkmm> There are 8 factions represented here, am I right?
<Renkon|SB> It may encourge some less active factions to become active..
<Spenser|Founders> I'm not sure I understand why that would be important
<Soffo> lets move onto topic 6, the one Zepath said he'd add, "When/how will SiN/ykz own all other factions"
<Ruhkmm> How many official factions are there?
<Ruhkmm> Over 20, correct?
<Soffo> too many
<Ruhkmm> Factions that aren't active ought to be embarrassed
<Ruhkmm> I myself, felt this way last week, when I realized how few accomplishments were being made in the Korath, and that is why this faction is now getting back in gear
<Ruhkmm> I want to provide this as an incentive to push the Atriarch interfaction community forward
<ender> why should inactive factions be embarassed?
<Spenser|Founders> Yeah, what ender said
<Ruhkmm> Because they're not contributing to the community, ender
<ender> so?
<Ruhkmm> Aren't factions all about community?
<ender> point?
<ender> no.
<Spenser|Founders> Yes, but some of them will
<Zang|Karshan> Well, I think that the community is a good idea...if we're all working towards a goal. What's our goal?
<Soffo> I dont contribute to the community
<Zang|Karshan> other than being good Beta testers?
<Spenser|Founders> Helping make AT the best game possible (whatever that means)?
<Ruhkmm> Zang has an excellent point
<Soffo> I dont read anything
<Soffo> yet I still seem to know more about things then people, say Eolirin, do
<Ruhkmm> That's because you're opinionated, Soffo
<Ruhkmm> Still, back on track.
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<Zang|Karshan> We'd all like AT to be a good game, and fun to play, and a success.
<Ruhkmm> Yes.
<Chizi|DM2> Well, my say is that although the DM is not incredibly active online right now, we still have pretty regular meetings of our council of elders to discuss changes in the community(using info usually collected by me)
<Ruhkmm> Thank for defending yourself against nonexisting charges, Chizi =D
<Chizi|DM2> Wee
<Ruhkmm> I'd like to address each of Zang's points
<Ruhkmm> The first: Making Atriarch a good game
<Ruhkmm> Factions can assist in this by encouraging game-related discussion among their members
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<lonan3|TM> I would just like to say I am back
<Ruhkmm> The second: Making Atriarch fun to play
<Ruhkmm> Anyone have any ideas or comments?
<Zang|Karshan> learn to program, and move to LA :)
* Ruhkmm grins
<lonan3|TM> sorry about coming in so late I hate RL issuse I had to deal with
<Chizi|DM2> Well...there certainly were implyed charges, in that non-active factions should be ashamed of themselves
<Zang|Karshan> And give good suggestions on boards
<Ruhkmm> Understood, Chizi
<Ruhkmm> Yes, Zang
<Ruhkmm> Instead of restating old points without backing them up
<Zang|Karshan> true
<Ruhkmm> I personally do not mind the karma bird debate, but what bothers me is that it has boiled down to "I'm right, you're wrong" instead of the stating of well-thought out arguments
<Zang|Karshan> Well...on the Karmabird thing....
<Zang|Karshan> All the good arguements on both sides have already been stated..let it get TESTED in Beta
<Ruhkmm> Zang is finally with the majority on something =D
<Spenser|Founders> Zang - yes; besides, WF folks are probably ignoring karma bird posts now
<Zang|Karshan> Neither side has anything new to say till its been tested
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<Ruhkmm> Exactly
<Ruhkmm> Well, discussion sure has boiled down.
<Zang|Karshan> We all agree.
<Ruhkmm> Does anyone have much to add? I'm sorry I couldn't make it earlier
<Zang|Karshan> Lets join hands, light a candle....
* Ruhkmm grins
<Zang|Karshan> ..and "kum bai yah"
* Zang|Karshan grins.
<Ruhkmm> I'm all pumped to argue much debated points and moderate a gigantic political drama
<Ruhkmm> But instead, here I am. =D
<EolirinXianve> ...
<Ruhkmm> In that case.
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<Ruhkmm> Thank you all for coming, and doing so well without me =D
<glech|SB> ok does anyone still want me to log?
<Zepath> lol
<Soffo> hey
* ism takes a deep breath
<Zepath> Yea, thanks for showing up everyone, including Ruhkmm.
<glech|SB> ok logs over
* Zepath smiles.
Session Close: Fri Jul 28 00:56:16 2000